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TikTok to shut down in the US

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TikTok says it plans to shut down site unless Supreme Court strikes down law forcing it to sell​


TikTok says it plans to shut down the social media site in the U.S. by Jan. 19 unless the Supreme Court strikes down or otherwise delays the effective date of a law aimed at forcing TikTok's sale by its Chinese parent company

TikTok and China-based ByteDance, as well as content creators and users, argue the law is a dramatic violation of the Constitution's free speech guarantee.

"Rarely if ever has the court confronted a free-speech case that matters to so many people," lawyers for the users and content creators wrote. Content creators are anxiously awaiting a decision that could upend their livelihoods and are eyeing other platforms.

TikTok, the app's users and many briefs supporting them urge the court to apply strict scrutiny to strike down the law.

But the Democratic administration and some of its supporters cite restrictions on foreign ownership of radio stations and other sectors of the economy to justify the effort to counter Chinese influence in the TikTok ban.

A decision could come within days.

Source: CBS News
 
This isn't surprising. Trump plans on going ahead with massive tariffs and so US-China relations are at a low, of course.
 
At this point, I do not think that a ban on TikTok is going to happen, and as far as i can tell President Trump is against regulations for companies, as much as can be avoided.
He knows that once they start regulating one company, then they will start regulating other companies, too, and this is not a road that our president wants to go down. He has already stopped as much of the regulations as he can, so that our country can rebuild after the hurricanes and fires, and fo whatever we can to have everything working again.
President Trump even has a TikTok account; so he is not going to ban the company or do any regulating that he does not have to do.
 
At this point, I do not think that a ban on TikTok is going to happen, and as far as i can tell President Trump is against regulations for companies, as much as can be avoided.
He knows that once they start regulating one company, then they will start regulating other companies, too, and this is not a road that our president wants to go down. He has already stopped as much of the regulations as he can, so that our country can rebuild after the hurricanes and fires, and fo whatever we can to have everything working again.
President Trump even has a TikTok account; so he is not going to ban the company or do any regulating that he does not have to do.
A sale is more than likely going to happen. There’s a lot of potential buyers, but I’m not sure who will the right company for tiktok.
 
I think my clock has stopped ticking… Can you fix it? 🤣
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It’s looking like oracle might be buying Tiktok soon.

The software company Oracle is accelerating talks with the White House on a deal to run TikTok, though significant concerns remain about what role the app’s Chinese founders will play in its ongoing U.S. operation, according to three people familiar with the discussions.

Vice President JD Vance and national security adviser Mike Waltz, the two officials President Donald Trump has tasked with shepherding a deal to bring TikTok under U.S. ownership, are taking the lead in negotiations, while senators have voiced a desire to be read in on any talks, two of the people said. A third person described the White House discussions as in advanced stages.

The people who were granted anonymity were not authorized to discuss sensitive details of ongoing negotiations publicly.
It comes amid ongoing warnings from congressional Republicans and other China hawks that any new ownership deal — if it keeps TikTok’s underlying technology in Chinese hands — could be only a surface-level fix to the security concerns that led to last year’s sweeping bipartisan ban of the app. Key lawmakers, including concerned Republicans, are bringing in Oracle this week to discuss the possible deal and rising national security concerns, according to four people familiar with the meetings.
One of the three people familiar with the discussions with Oracle said the deal would essentially require the U.S. government to depend on Oracle to oversee the data of American users and ensure the Chinese government doesn’t have a backdoor to it — a promise the person warned would be impossible to keep.

“If the Oracle deal moves forward, you still have this [algorithm] controlled by the Chinese. That means all you are doing is saying ‘trust Oracle’ to disseminate the data and guarantee there is no ‘back door’ to the data,” the person told POLITICO.
If, for instance, the algorithm isn’t entirely rebuilt by its U.S. owner or if TikTok’s Beijing-based parent firm ByteDance retains a role in its operations, it could retain vulnerabilities that could be exploited by the Chinese government.

The data security company HaystackID, which serves as independent security inspectors for TikTok U.S., said in February that it has found no indications of internal or external malicious activity — nor has it identified any protected U.S. user data that has been shared with China.

Spokespeople for Oracle, TikTok, ByteDance and the White House did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
The deal is being billed as a “Project Texas 2.0,” a nod to a previous agreement between TikTok and Oracle to relocate American users’ data to servers in Texas and block ByteDance employees in China from accessing it, according to the first person. But that agreement, which also required Oracle to review TikTok’s source code to determine its safety, failed to assuage congressional and Biden administration concerns that the app is being used by China as a spying and propaganda tool.

The tech-focused outlet The Information reported Thursday that Oracle is a “leading contender” to run TikTok, with ByteDance preferring it for the role. The details about the White House’s approach and the seriousness with which White House officials are considering the proposal have not previously been reported.
It comes as Trump stares down an April 5 deadline to secure a new owner for the Chinese video-sharing company after he signed an executive order in Januarydelaying enforcement of Congress’ ban on the app for 75 days. The app briefly went dark for about 12 hours in January after TikTok’s parent company ByteDance failed to meet the deadline to sell its stake and the Supreme Court upheld Congress’ ban.

Vance, during an interview with NBC News on Friday, said he was hopeful a TikTok deal would be reached by the early April deadline. Last week, Trump said that his administration was in talks with “four different groups” about a deal.
Trump told reporters in January that he was open to Oracle founder and executive chairman Larry Ellison buying TikTok. Ellison is a longtime Trump supporter, and he’s part of the so-called Project Stargate, a $500 billion AI infrastructure initiative that also includes OpenAI, SoftBank and MGX.

While Trump during his first administration sought to ban TikTok over national security concerns, he embraced the app last year on the campaign trail. In December, he told throngs of young conservative supporters at a Turning Point rally in Phoenix that he has “a warm spot in my heart for TikTok” because of the outpouring of support he received from younger voters in the 2024 election. Trump’s campaign-trail reversal came after a meeting with Jeff Yass, a Republican donor who owns a large share of ByteDance. (Trump has denied the issue was discussed.)
It’s unclear whether the deal the White House eventually reaches will satisfy China hawks on the Hill, though they may have little power to complain. Trump’s executive order extending the initial deadline — in the face of concerns from GOP lawmakers and legal experts about the order’s legality — showed his willingness to defy Congress’ will. And the decision on whether ByteDance sells TikTok or licenses its use by a U.S. company ultimately rests with the Chinese government.

Beijing wants to protect TikTok’s monopoly access to its user data and is hostile to any suggestion that Chinese firms bend to the will of suspicious foreign governments. Over the past year, authorities in Beijing and in the Chinese embassy in Washington have mostly dodged questions about the status of possible talks for the purchase of TikTok by a non-Chinese firm.
What little Beijing has said about that possibility hasn’t offered much hope that it’s in favor of such an agreement. The Chinese government “will firmly oppose” any forced sale of the company and require ByteDance “to seek governmental approval in accordance with Chinese regulations” for any potential foreign ownership deal, Chinese Commerce Ministry spokesperson Shu Jueting told reporters in March. That same month Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Wang Wenbin accused Congress of “resorting to hegemonic moves” to try to take control of the app. In January, the Chinese government deployed more conciliatory language about a possible TikTok sale but offered no clues on whether it would approve such a deal.

Any such transactions “should be independently decided by companies in accordance with market principles,” Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Mao Ning said in January.

Source: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/16/white-house-oracle-tiktok-00232302
 
I think that this is maybe working out to be a good thing. Once you start down that slippery slope of limiting free speech (in any form), then it will just keep going and more will be limited. We are seeing that happen already in some countries where people can be arrested for something as simple as a meme.
 
This whole Tiktok thing with people screaming about free speech reminds me of a joke that went about the Internet back in the 1990s about how all the Conservative radio and TV talk show hosts were claiming that they didn't have a way to get their message out.

There was a list of all of them, at least 100 or more, all listed like this, and of course, this is just an example with names I remember from days gone by...

Rush Limbaugh says Conservatives don't have a way to get their message out.
Glenn Beck says Conservatives don't have a way to get their message out.
Bill O'Reilly says Conservatives don't have a way to get their message out.

And the list was of all Conservative radio and TV talk show hosts around at the time. I remember thinking "Are they not aware of each other?" at the time.

I understand about a company not wanting to get shut down, there's no profit in that. But all the people claiming that it's a violation of free speech... That's really reaching in my opinion, as there is social media all over the Internet. Technically, even forums and blogs are social media, and you can speak your piece just about anywhere.

But personally, I think what the whole thing is really about is that YouTube doesn't like competition...
 
The tiktok sale to a US company is now off the table.

The sale of Chinese-owned video-sharing app TikTok to a company in the United States is "off the table" for now, according to New York Post columnist Charles Gasparino.

Gasparino reported Wednesday on X that White House officials "now concede the potential @tiktok_us deal — sale to a US company by the Chinese — is off the table for the foreseeable future and maybe forever as we go to a trade war focused totally on the Chinese."

President Donald Trump said Friday that he is extending the deadline for TikTok to find a U.S. buyer by 75 days to give his administration more time to negotiate an agreement to keep it running under American ownership. Congress had mandated that the platform divest from China by Jan. 19 or be banned in the U.S. as a matter of national security.


Trump on Wednesday raised U.S. tariffs on China to 125%, hours after Beijing levied tariffs of 84% on American imports and vowed to "fight to the end" in an escalating trade battle between the world's two biggest economies.

 
The tiktok sale to a US company is now off the table.


President Donald Trump said Friday that he is extending the deadline for TikTok to find a U.S. buyer by 75 days to give his administration more time to negotiate an agreement to keep it running under American ownership.
That's like the tariffs on many countries, they're actually not "off the table"... They're just "paused" as Trump put it.

You really should find a more reliable source for news. Newsmax is a joke and always has been. Go back to Fox, at least they have some credibility.

Edit: The Usual Suspects... Typos.
 
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That's like the tariffs on many countries, they're actually not "off the table"... They're just "paused" as Trump put it.

You really should find a more reliable source for news. Newsmax is a joke and always has been. Go back to Fox, at least they have some credibility.

Edit: The Usual Suspects... Typos.
I don’t see them selling it persay as China probably doesn’t want to let go of the algorithm. If it does ever get sold, it’ll probably be rebuilt with a new backend and algorithm.

That’s probably the likely scenario. It’s China’s bread and butter.
 

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