What's new
By:
DiscussionHQ - General Discussions

DiscussionHQ is a general discussion forum that has opened December 2024!
We provide a laid back atmosphere and our members are down to earth. We have a ton of content and fresh stuff is constantly being added. We cover all sorts of topics, so there's bound to be something inside to pique your interest. We welcome anyone and everyone to register & become a member of our awesome community.

The Democrats have shut the government down

Chuck Schumer is boxed in with no apparent way out to save face. He is now proposing that Trump fund the SNAP program without Congress funding it in clear violation of a law passed by the Democrats years ago prohibiting such a practice. Emergency funds have been set aside to fund true emergencies, and were expressly prohibited from being used to fund programs under a government shutdown. Of course that was when Democrats controlled things and the Republicans were doing the shutting down.
 
Jacob Petersheim said:
I was exaggerating above @Yvonne Smith - probably because all of those stupid TikTok videos from entitled abusers got under my skin. :ROFLMAO:

There is nothing fake about them though. Even when I was in high school in the start of the 1970s it was not uncommon to overhear girls approaching graduation bantering about strategies to start pumping out babies to maximize welfare payments. Forced busing really opened our eyes to subcultures we'd never known in the North.
Click to expand...
This was actually starting back in the mid-50’s when I was a girl, @Jacob Petersheim . The advantages were not as much back then, but still enough for women to get a divorce and raise their kids on welfare money and government commodities.
My mom had rental houses and apartments, so she sometimes had the welfare moms renting from her. At that time, at least in Idaho, it could be set up so that the rent was sent directly to my mother, so she was usually able to get the monthly rent when it was sent directly.
Otherwise, my mom would have to try and be there right when the person got her check, take her to cash it (they often did not have a vehicle of their own), and then collect the rent right away before it was wasted on other things.

The government gave out commodities , maybe not each month, but at least every few months, and it had large bags of flour, beans, rice, corn meal, powdered milk, as well as canned meats and a large loaf of cheese. Often, even back then, people did not use the dry foods, and when they moved out, the bags of beans, etc. , were just left in the kitchen pantry.
People sold the meats and cheese because they were good quality food, just like they sell their EBT allowance nowadays, so even if we went back to handing out commodities (which some people are suggesting) it would still be misused.

I think that if Sec. Kennedy revamps what foods are allowed, and we take the illegals off the programs, and make it temporary for able-bodied people who just need temporary help, the program can be manageable, and it can help seniors, disabled vets, and others who really need this kind of a program.
 
Oh, I'm not insensitive about it @Yvonne Smith because I lived it myself.

The old man up and left, divorcing my mother to marry another woman when I was about 5 or 6. So from there on it was child support, ADC, and commodities until I was more or less shoved out of the nest at the end of high school. But even then we were "in our place" heads down rather than ungrateful or feeling entitled. We took our share of abuse from the better-off kids.

Maybe I was lucky. I got a couple of small grants and scholarships and money working the Summer after high school to catch a ride to college with a buddy who had a car. I never moved back, but the money ran out after a year and I ended up in basement apartments, old tenement buildings, and living over shops downtown. More luck, and I got my first full time permanent job.

I can't imagine we'd ever discard the dry commodities. And I remember that big loaf of cheese and the canned beef and spam-like pork stuff. Canned peanut butter, rolled oats, bags of rice, etc.

I have no memory of any of that being sold off, though for a long time we had a single guy neighbor and one Winter it got rough for him and my mother traded him some food for books. These weren't just paperback novels, but hardcover reference books and such.
 
It looks like the Schumer Shutdown is going to continue, and President Trump has been working on a way to help federal workers get paid, and federal benefits paid, especially the food benefits from SNAP. It sounds like they will pull it from an emergency fund, but becasue it is already November, it is going to take a while to get the payments out to the states and for the states to distribute the funds into the state EBT programs.

Not everyone gets EBT benefits at the same time of the month anyway, so except for the people who get them at the first of the month, everyone else should get their benefits on time, or reasonably close to that.




IMG_1069.jpeg
 
I wonder if real cracks beneath the surface are actually beginning though.

Here is Mr. Tenured Ivy League Perfessor Lefty Commie Greenie himself. Listen to what he's saying about the UK here, either as a proxy for saying what he can't about the US or simply demonstrating where his true allegiances lie.


But I am sure that his severe case of TDS will prevent him from giving credit, much less support, for what Trump is trying to accomplish here.

Still, it's such a flip in this guy's rhetoric that there might be some hope that the Uniparty might wake up.
 
It appears that parts of U.S. airspace may have to be closed to commercial air traffic due to the government shutdown. Air Traffic Controllers are walking off the job and a number are moving to foreign countries, so they will likely be lost forever. This will affect passenger and freight traffic into and out of the U.S. Another impact of the longest government shutdown in U.S. history. Non-essential employees are basically on furlough or layoff, and essential federal employees are having to work without pay for a month now. Put yourself in the place of these workers who are having to report to work to preserve their jobs, but commuting expenses, utilities, mortgage and rent, property and other taxes, and food expenses continue.
 

WATCH: Duffy and air traffic controller union head hold news briefing on effect of federal shutdown​

 
ATCs have a stressful job and the way they are scheduled, at least for controllers I have known, is pretty terrible and adds to that stress. I was a victim is the 19900s shutdown, and, while I was okay, many of the people I worked with suffered terribly when they had to work for weeks without pay.
 
It is looking like enough of the democrats have finally gone against the main Schumer-bunch, and will vote to open the government again……. Finally ! Senator Fetterman has been a Star the whole way through this, calling for his fellow democrats to open the government so that the military and other government workers can get paid, and the SNAP funds can be allotted again.
It is interesting that it took most of the aircraft industry facing shutdown, and also leaders of the workers unions (all traditionally voting democrat) to get after the democrats in congress before enough of them would cave in to opening the government again.

IMG_1085.jpeg
 
It may be that the Democratic party has split, as the Old Guard--Pelosi, Schumer et al., seem to be afraid of the younger folks who are much more radical with no respect for tradition or the Constitution. The country will never be the same if it even survives if the Mamdani wing of the Democrats gain power at the Federal level.
 
"Trump’s off-the-cuff answer was a typical example of the waffle he sometimes conjures to escape a jam in a photo-op. But he could not disguise the downside of his “win” in the government shutdown, which looks set to end after Democrats failed to secure their top demand: the extension of those enhanced Obamacare subsidies.

Trump and Republicans once again own the issue of health care, with millions of citizens — not just those on ACA plans — afflicted by rising premiums and high deductibles against the backdrop of a wider cost-of-living crisis. And just as in his first term, Trump lacks a comprehensive, detailed plan to bring relief to citizens who lack health care, who can’t afford the plans they have or who know that the loss of a job could leave them without any coverage at all."

 
Before The ACA, I managed to shop for insurance and had doctors available for reasonable fees. I did have some insurance plans available through work. But shopping was easier through independent agents, in general. The hospital had a clinic for those without insurance if they could prove income or assistance. When the government started throwing money at insurance companies and forcing high deductibles after forcing paid enrollment, I know of many who did without.
I guess the very poor received insurance from this program. But the costs and insanity started rising when we read what was in the law after it passed.
Recently, I was told that I had lost my doctor (primary care or who know what he was now with the alphabet soup they are referred by) because I had not been to see him for years. Yearly exams are not necessary. Symptom-less visits are not necessary but seem to be required now (by law?). If you are concerned about a silent killer then go.
I am old and will die someday but If I don't eat junk food and take the correct supplements (and weeds ; ), unless I am hit by a car, it won't be soon. I want to choose if I go.
PS, we didn't have tens of millions of illegals to take care of, then either.
Trump has just suggested giving the money to the citizens to use for healthcare instead of to insurance agencies. That could be the start of lowering costs.
 
Shadowman said:
"Trump’s off-the-cuff answer was a typical example of the waffle he sometimes conjures to escape a jam in a photo-op. But he could not disguise the downside of his “win” in the government shutdown, which looks set to end after Democrats failed to secure their top demand: the extension of those enhanced Obamacare subsidies.

Trump and Republicans once again own the issue of health care, with millions of citizens — not just those on ACA plans — afflicted by rising premiums and high deductibles against the backdrop of a wider cost-of-living crisis. And just as in his first term, Trump lacks a comprehensive, detailed plan to bring relief to citizens who lack health care, who can’t afford the plans they have or who know that the loss of a job could leave them without any coverage at all."

Click to expand...
The reason for those rising premiums is because of the ACA, the way it was given to the American people in 2014, was all fraudulent. Obama stood there and told people that we could keep our doctors and our plans that we had if we liked them, but that was not true, and people were forced to pay higher and higher premiums for health insurance. By 2021, Congress decided to subsidize the ACA program, which has kept the rising cost subsidized, but the end of 2025, that subsidy ends, which is why something has to be done about our health insurance programs, and why President Trump wants to do something that keeps costs down and benefits the American people , rather than the insurance corporations.


IMG_1094.jpeg
 
Mary Stetler said:
Before The ACA, I managed to shop for insurance and had doctors available for reasonable fees. I did have some insurance plans available through work. But shopping was easier through independent agents, in general. The hospital had a clinic for those without insurance if they could prove income or assistance. When the government started throwing money at insurance companies and forcing high deductibles after forcing paid enrollment, I know of many who did without.
I guess the very poor received insurance from this program. But the costs and insanity started rising when we read what was in the law after it passed.
Recently, I was told that I had lost my doctor (primary care or who know what he was now with the alphabet soup they are referred by) because I had not been to see him for years. Yearly exams are not necessary. Symptom-less visits are not necessary but seem to be required now (by law?). If you are concerned about a silent killer then go.
I am old and will die someday but If I don't eat junk food and take the correct supplements (and weeds ; ), unless I am hit by a car, it won't be soon. I want to choose if I go.
PS, we didn't have tens of millions of illegals to take care of, then either.
Trump has just suggested giving the money to the citizens to use for healthcare instead of to insurance agencies. That could be the start of lowering costs.
Click to expand...
Whenever folks can shop for insurance, be it car, house, health, or life, the price has to be competitive. It automatically lowers costs if no government subsidies or mandates are involved.
Yvonne Smith said:
The reason for those rising premiums is because of the ACA, the way it was given to the American people in 2014, was all fraudulent. Obama stood there and told people that we could keep our doctors and our plans that we had if we liked them, but that was not true, and people were forced to pay higher and higher premiums for health insurance. By 2021, Congress decided to subsidize the ACA program, which has kept the rising cost subsidized, but the end of 2025, that subsidy ends, which is why something has to be done about our health insurance programs, and why President Trump wants to do something that keeps costs down and benefits the American people , rather than the insurance corporations.


View attachment 1330
Click to expand...
Yep, the Dems put "temporary" into place and got them through be making them temporary all the while knowing that they would need to be permanent and increasing to keep the program afloat. Some people here don't seem to know history and believe the Democrats are naïve victims of their own decisions.
 
Yes, it was a crappy plan. But even a crappy plan is better than no plan. And after all the time and effort they put into getting it repealed, which failed one after another in 60 plus House Votes. The Cons still have no plan after 15 years, because they don't want a plan. Trump explained that in one sentence. "I don't care about you, I just want your vote."
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 1 (members: 0, guests: 1)
Back
Top