Israel attacks Iran

[Don Alaska]

Reportedly, Iran has been attacked by Israel overnight. Trump and Rubio have denied responsibility, but have given orders that non-essential military and diplomatic personnel be evacuated from the Middle East. Iran and Putin have been financed by the Obama and the Biden Administrations, and now is the time to pay the price for that unfortunately. No B-2s on Diego Garcia, so apparently the U.S. has no intention of participating.

 

[Jacob Petersheim]

I suppose all we can do is wait to see whether this has lit the fuse on something really terrible for all of us.

 

[Don Alaska]

President Trump supposedly gave Iran 60 days to come to an agreement on nuclear weapons. On day 61 he gave his okay to Israel to carry out massive attacks on Iran. Israel has allegedly now established air superiority over much of Iran and has freedom of air action to attack numerous strategic targets in that country. A lot of Iran's military and nuclear leadership and their families have been killed by Israeli action. The death of entire families will make many who would step to the front in leadership now refrain from doing so.

 

[Bobby Cole]

I suppose all we can do is wait to see whether this has lit the fuse on something really terrible for all of us.

At first glance, one might rightfully think that Iran could take some retaliatory action against the U.S.
That said, when we look further, the precise destruction of the Iranian nuclear capability, some stockpiles of weaponry, military bases and flight lines (not to forget their military leadership) has actually now given the Iranian people a chance to take their own country back.

I have an Iranian friend who has been in the U.S. for over 35 years [and now a citizen of the U.S.] who hates what his native country has become under the Ayatollahs as do the majority of the Iranian citizenry.
If, and I do stress the word “if”, the citizens of that ancient land do decide to depose of the present dictatorship, perhaps that part of the world will see some peace.

 

[Jacob Petersheim]

I worry more about sympathizers adding resources, bodies, and insanity into the current urban rioting. I heard that the UK had such a thing start up just yesterday.

 

[Jacob Petersheim]

I know people don't need a bunch of videos, so here is a headline:

FBI Warns Americans Of Sleeper Cell Attacks Inside US

 

[Nancy Hart]

I know people don't need a bunch of videos, so here is a headline:

If you actually watch the videos (especially the long ones) they often have very little to do with the headlines. I think that's often done on purpose. The creator knows most people won't watch a 30 minute video. That way he/she can get a message across even if can't be supported by facts or reasoning.

 

[Marie Mallory]

The whole world is in an uproar now. Very scary time for the youth.

 

[Don Alaska]

At first glance, one might rightfully think that Iran could take some retaliatory action against the U.S.
That said, when we look further, the precise destruction of the Iranian nuclear capability, some stockpiles of weaponry, military bases and flight lines (not to forget their military leadership) has actually now given the Iranian people a chance to take their own country back.

I have an Iranian friend who has been in the U.S. for over 35 years [and now a citizen of the U.S.] who hates what his native country has become under the Ayatollahs as do the majority of the Iranian citizenry.
If, and I do stress the word “if”, the citizens of that ancient land do decide to depose of the present dictatorship, perhaps that part of the world will see some peace.

It appears that the regime change from within is now the Israeli (and the American) aim in this conflict. The Israelis don't have any aircraft able to carry the heavy bunker-buster bombs that the B2s are built to carry, so they have developed a technique of multiple smart bombs targeted at the same spot six or seven times in succession. I don't think this will reach the very deepest bunkers, but will destroy access to said bunkers so they cannot be easily used.

Iran does not want to bring the U.S. into the war, as America has the military and financial power to destroy the regime. If they decide to attack us, it will be by roundabout means that cannot be definitively attributable to Iran. They may try to make it look like any attacks mounted are from Russia or China.

 

[Bobby Cole]

It appears that the regime change from within is now the Israeli (and the American) aim in this conflict. The Israelis don't have any aircraft able to carry the heavy bunker-buster bombs that the B2s are built to carry, so they have developed a technique of multiple smart bombs targeted at the same spot six or seven times in succession. I don't think this will reach the very deepest bunkers, but will destroy access to said bunkers so they cannot be easily used.

Iran does not want to bring the U.S. into the war, as America has the military and financial power to destroy the regime. If they decide to attack us, it will be by roundabout means that cannot be definitively attributable to Iran. They may try to make it look like any attacks mounted are from Russia or China.

It is possible that the leadership of Iran doesn’t want the U.S. involved because of the example set of when Muhammad Gaddafi was submitting to the American demands and was still assasinated.
What they really should realize is that “hang ‘em high” Hillary Clinton is no longer the Secretary of State.

 

[Marie Mallory]

I know people don't need a bunch of videos, so here is a headline:

No videos,

 

[Marie Mallory]

Is this the beginning of WW111 aka the end? Will the Jews rebuild the Temple ,they already have the red heifer, matter of fact, they them a few of them now.


The red heifer (parah adumah) holds significant importance in Jewish tradition as its ashes are used in purification rites, particularly for those who have come into contact with a corpse. Currently, there is heightened interest in red heifers due to their potential role in the construction of a Third Temple in Jerusalem, which some believe is necessary for religious practices. Recently, red heifers have been brought to Israel, sparking discussions among religious and political leaders about their implications for the future of the temple and Jerusalem. Additionally, historical accounts indicate that non-Jews have previously assisted in providing red heifers to the Jewish community.

My Jewish Learning+4

 

[Don Alaska]

It is possible that the leadership of Iran doesn’t want the U.S. involved because of the example set of when Muhammad Gaddafi was submitting to the American demands and was still assasinated.
What they really should realize is that “hang ‘em high” Hillary Clinton is no longer the Secretary of State.

That is certainly a possible reason, but Trump seems to want Iran to just give up their nuclear weapons and become open to inspection. Everyone knows that is not going to happen. I think Trump stopped the assassination of the Ayatollah because he doesn't want to create a martyr that the Islamists can rally around. Word is that some of the remaining government officials and nuclear scientists are trying to obtain sanctuary in Russia, since Israel seems to be targeting all the top guys in Iranian government and weapons.

 

[Don Alaska]

Recent surveys show that going to war in the Middle East would destroy Trump's voter coalition. After immigration, staying out of war is the MAGA most important issue. The Dems and the Neocons are pushing him to attack Iran, and all the MSM, including Fox, are beating the drums of war. A U.S. base in Syria was attacked from Iran, and that crosses one of Trump's Red Lines. Netanyahu is trying to get the U.S. involved too, as Israel is reportedly running out of resources, human and otherwise

 

[Marie Mallory]

So much death and destruction, so sad, below shows some new pictures of Iran's destruction about 4 minutes into video.

 

[Jacob Petersheim]

Recent surveys show that going to war in the Middle East would destroy Trump's voter coalition. After immigration, staying out of war is the MAGA most important issue. The Dems and the Neocons are pushing him to attack Iran, and all the MSM, including Fox, are beating the drums of war. A U.S. base in Syria was attacked from Iran, and that crosses one of Trump's Red Lines. Netanyahu is trying to get the U.S. involved too, as Israel is reportedly running out of resources, human and otherwise

This whole situation is unfortunate. But I see your point about the coalition backing Trump, and how Iran could be exploited as a wedge issue to weaken that diverse support.

I have a problem with both this and Ukraine. In each case there are arguments on both sides but there have also been excesses on both sides. Both involve cultural and territorial expansion that I'm not sure can ever be satisfied. It makes me weary and I wonder why any of it should be American's problem.

Of course we do get dragged in... over and over again. Sometimes it is the application of money and influence and even lawfare here. Sometimes it is the real threat of terrorism in our communities. Sometimes it is the pro-war factions within our society, which either hope to literally profit by intervention or get driven mad by domestic threats, bribes, and propaganda.

I'm not saying inaction doesn't have dangers but it can get tiring to deal with it all. There are better things we could be doing to improve life here.

 

[Marie Mallory]

This whole situation is unfortunate. But I see your point about the coalition backing Trump, and how Iran could be exploited as a wedge issue to weaken that diverse support.

I have a problem with both this and Ukraine. In each case there are arguments on both sides but there have also been excesses on both sides. Both involve cultural and territorial expansion that I'm not sure can ever be satisfied. It makes me weary and I wonder why any of it should be American's problem.

Of course we do get dragged in... over and over again. Sometimes it is the application of money and influence and even lawfare here. Sometimes it is the real threat of terrorism in our communities. Sometimes it is the pro-war factions within our society, which either hope to literally profit by intervention or get driven mad by domestic threats, bribes, and propaganda.

I'm not saying inaction doesn't have dangers but it can get tiring to deal with it all. There are better things we could be doing to improve life here.

I keep telling myself to not worry about it, since I have absolutely no control over any of the BS. Then I dive back into it.

A quote I try to use and when I use it, I do feel better.
" Whatever things are true, whatever is of a good report, think on these things. " 'Paraphrase'

 

[Don Alaska]

This whole situation is unfortunate. But I see your point about the coalition backing Trump, and how Iran could be exploited as a wedge issue to weaken that diverse support.

I have a problem with both this and Ukraine. In each case there are arguments on both sides but there have also been excesses on both sides. Both involve cultural and territorial expansion that I'm not sure can ever be satisfied. It makes me weary and I wonder why any of it should be American's problem.

Of course we do get dragged in... over and over again. Sometimes it is the application of money and influence and even lawfare here. Sometimes it is the real threat of terrorism in our communities. Sometimes it is the pro-war factions within our society, which either hope to literally profit by intervention or get driven mad by domestic threats, bribes, and propaganda.

I'm not saying inaction doesn't have dangers but it can get tiring to deal with it all. There are better things we could be doing to improve life here.

Somewhat different situations between Ukraine and Israel. Ukraine is in the purview of the EU and, in a way, NATO. The Europeans are financing both sides, as they are still buying oil and gas from Russia, thus financing the Russian military machine al the while giving some military hardware and such to the Ukrainians. Russia may be expansionist to an extent, but they are not threatening the destruction of anyone, not even Ukraine. Iran, however, has vowed to destroy both Israel (Little Satan) and the U.S. (Big Satan) and has attempted to assassinate our sitting President at least once and perhaps twice. Iran is the number one sponsor of terrorism worldwide and is backed by both Russia and China. Iran also controls access to much of the world's oil through the Persian Gulf and supplies much of the world with natural gas. Iran was backed and supported by Obama, then shut down by Trump in his first term. It was then supported again to a lesser extent by Biden and shut down again by Trump.

I am not in favor of getting directly involved in either conflict, but I think Ukraine should be Europe's problem, not ours, and Iran/Israel is one that affects the entire world.

 

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[Jacob Petersheim]

There is some debate among... call 'em "populists" about US involvement in this mess. Some are audibly disappointed in Trump for not turning his back and staying out of it. These seem to tend to be more along the lines of self-identified "Libertarians" in the Ron and Rand Paul camp and beyond.

The argument is that the Israeli Netanyahu faction lured and goaded us into the same kind of disaster in Iraq. The difference here being that the stakes might be even higher due to regional sympathies and the threat of conflict from actual nuclear exchanges to dirty bombs, plague releases, assassination attempts, and incitement to insurrection of gullible rabble here at home.

On the other side those threats are taken seriously already now, and they feel Trump is acting pre-emptively today since attempts to strike a peaceful resolution failed. Any further effort along those lines just buys time for the threats to grow and/or get put into place.

Here is a Piers Morgan moderated debate. At nearly an hour, I don't expect many to listen to it all.

A secondary issue here is that the split in Trump support must be music to the ears of his political opponents, who have otherwise basically no more political capital left.