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Musk perhaps has decided to form his own party over the Big Beautiful Bill

Don Alaska

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There are statements made by Elon Musk that he plans to for an American Party because the Big Beautiful Bill has passed. This seem to be a protest movement similar in tone and scope to Ross Perot's movement that got Bill Clinton elected to two terms. Elon seems to think that the U.S. should be a "benevolent dictatorship" that can be run in a fashion similar to a private company. To get things done here, there has to be compromise no matter how distasteful. Musk is the South Carolina of modern American politics. If you recall, South Carolina was responsible for much of slavery and was where the Civil War began. The other colonies needed South Carolina's vote to maintain solidarity in the face of King George, and could only get it if slaves were counted as people even though they could not vote there, thus functioning in much the same was as Democrats use illegal immigrants to up the census numbers in modern America. The other Founders managed to dupe the South Carolina delegation with the three-fifths compromise (there is that word again) which, although some modern Civil Rights people think was denigrating slaves, was actually a trick to reduce Southern voting power. Musk's proposal, like Perot's, may be just the thing the Democrats need to get the White House back in 2028.

Anyway, Musk's big dream is to create his dictatorship on Mars, where he will terraform that planet and create his Utopia where he can make the rules.
 
I'm not sure the comparison with Perot is entirely apt.

In fact, I see Trump as a very Perot-like figure. Just one who found a way to operate within an existing Party rather than deal with the hardships of getting enough 3rd party traction to win.

I think Perot's support came from the ranks of Republican, Democrat, and independent voters. I am unconvinced by arguments that Perot was a "spoiler" who handed victory to Clinton.

I'm not even convinced that Clinton did much of anything that Bush would not have, and vice versa. By 1992 the duopolitan Uniparty was all but cast in stone following talks and negotiations to "set new ground rules" between the "two parties" following the fall of the Soviet system.


So to me this Musk situation is much more likely to result in "spoiler" consequences if it goes forward.

I'm not sure what to make of it all, but I don't really believe Musk plans to see this through. For all I know, the entire thing is an ongoing tactic to keep Trump's opposition bamboozled through the midterm elections. Both Dems and the "Libertarian" unfaithful.
 
The American Party has not been officially registered yet as political parties must be, although maybe that will come tomorrow as it’s the first full business day since Elon announced.

I’ve been trying to imagine followers of Democrats AOC, Hakeem Jeffries, Chuck Schumer, Margery Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert and the rest of the current Freedom Caucus in the same party and I’m expecting a few nightmares but I guess we’ll see.

If they actually could join forces they would be a problem but I think Elon is going to have quite a time herding all these cats. The last thing Democrats want to do is spend less. Maybe all Elon wants to do is sink Trump and not really accomplish anything. Where will he find the time to go to Mars? I tend to agree with Jacob’s “spoiler” comment.

We do live in interesting times.
 
This video is probably too painfully long (40 minutes) to watch. The 1st third or so covers the shenanigans against Trump by the Deep State and the election tampering in 2020, the middle 3rd goes into the why and the ultimate goals or reasons why. The last of it adds some more detail but much does get repetitive.

Short version: the pee dossier was known to be a fabrication very early, but a surprising cast of characters chose to go with it anyway. China and the Deep State both had hands in blocking the voice of the people in 2020. Following the fall of the Berlin Wall the Uniparty formed, with the ultimate goal of eradicating the U.S. as we know it and replacing the system by a form of Marxist neo-feudalism.

That was likely what prompted Perot to go public. He wanted to expose the dangers of globalism and central control leading to World Government. His campaign for President was a way to get many facts in front of the voters. Some of us saw it, though not enough. Others did not. And now they blame Perot for the mess we ended up in?


I don't see this Musk thing as similar at all, and I can't really figure out the game there unless it is next-level chessmanship.


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Elon Musk seems incredibly naive, almost childlike in his behavior. Although he could afford to hire a staff to organize things, I think his attention span is too short. Unless he has become addicted to all the attention, it probably will go nowhere.
 
I still stick with my comments on Perot being a "spoiler", although that might not have been his intention, that was the result. Early on, when I read about Clinton in Arkansas, I believed we were finally going to have a different type of politician running for President. I saw his Education Caucus as a clue that he wanted to revise the education system in the U.S. I was soon proven wrong however, and I found that he was all talk and that he was as much a shill for the teachers' unions as any other Democrat. He was a skillful politician however--much more so than the Bushes were--and governed a lot by what the internal polling was telling him, much as Trump often does. Childlike is a good description of Musk. He is a brilliant autocrat who isn't fully connected with reality.
 
Don Alaska said:
There are statements made by Elon Musk that he plans to for an American Party because the Big Beautiful Bill has passed. This seem to be a protest movement similar in tone and scope to Ross Perot's movement that got Bill Clinton elected to two terms. Elon seems to think that the U.S. should be a "benevolent dictatorship" that can be run in a fashion similar to a private company. To get things done here, there has to be compromise no matter how distasteful. Musk is the South Carolina of modern American politics. If you recall, South Carolina was responsible for much of slavery and was where the Civil War began. The other colonies needed South Carolina's vote to maintain solidarity in the face of King George, and could only get it if slaves were counted as people even though they could not vote there, thus functioning in much the same was as Democrats use illegal immigrants to up the census numbers in modern America. The other Founders managed to dupe the South Carolina delegation with the three-fifths compromise (there is that word again) which, although some modern Civil Rights people think was denigrating slaves, was actually a trick to reduce Southern voting power. Musk's proposal, like Perot's, may be just the thing the Democrats need to get the White House back in 2028.

Anyway, Musk's big dream is to create his dictatorship on Mars, where he will terraform that planet and create his Utopia where he can make the rules.
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I think he got the political bug and wanted more of it. Guess what,:) "I like it ,I love it, I want more of it".
 
Musk declared he was targeting 3 Senate seats and 12 or so House seats in the next election so he will personally have control of Congress. Interesting strategy and he will apparently be funding it all himself.
 
“The principles of DOGE were very popular. I think if you looked at the polling, Elon was not." - Scott Bessent, Secretary of the Treasury

Maybe Elon should think about that.
 
Elon Musk indicated in posts on X that the America Party will stake out pro-Second Amendment, pro-bitcoin positions.

"The Second Amendment is sacred," Musk declared in a post on X in response to a post that suggested firearm owners would like to know about the party's position on guns.

So, I guess he isn’t planning on attracting Democrats, just splitting the GOP.
 
Susannah said:
Elon Musk indicated in posts on X that the America Party will stake out pro-Second Amendment, pro-bitcoin positions.

"The Second Amendment is sacred," Musk declared in a post on X in response to a post that suggested firearm owners would like to know about the party's position on guns.

So, I guess he isn’t planning on attracting Democrats, just splitting the GOP.
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There are some pro-gun Democrats, especially in the South, but the party as a whole has taken strong positions against private firearm ownership.
 
I think that it's a myth that Trump's support is made up of gun nuts, or that tons of Democrats are not gun nuts themselves. I don't take any issue with the 2nd Amendment, but I don't believe that it is the knee-jerk primary issue that the Uniparty would hope.

I see even less impact in regard to Bitcoin. It's only on the radar of a thin, fringe minority of voters and again in both camps of the Uniparty.

If you are still thinking this is about Republicans and Democrats you may be lost. That pretty much ended with Reagan in 1980.
 
Last I checked Democrats support gun control and the ones I know personally literally wouldn’t pick up a gun to save their own lives.

I think Trump’s support of bitcoin is probably all it takes to make Democrats against it.

President Donald J. Trump Establishes the Strategic Bitcoin Reserve and U.S. Digital Asset Stockpile​

www.whitehouse.gov

Fact Sheet: President Donald J. Trump Establishes the Strategic Bitcoin Reserve and U.S. Digital Asset Stockpile

CREATING A STRATEGIC BITCOIN RESERVE AND DIGITAL ASSET STOCKPILE: Today, President Donald J. Trump signed an Executive Order to establish a Strategic
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Susannah said:
So, I guess he isn’t planning on attracting Democrats, just splitting the GOP.
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That's what people said about splinter parties such as the Log Cabin Republicans, the Tea Party, even Donold Trump's MAGA movement, etc., and so far that hasn't happened.
 
That's the tune they play to demonize Perot, who was a proto-Trump in most of the important ways. But sheep kept on munching the grass so we got Clinton. Flip a coin and we'd have had Bush. No real difference.

I see Reagan as a "Chance, the Gardener" President. Operated by Nancy and by Bush on behalf of their Deep State masters. He was just an earlier Joe Biden stumbling in a haze. In 1980 fools got taken in there once again, from both Parties.
 
The left-leaning media talking heads are all grinning like idiots. I am becoming more convinced this entire "feud" is a ploy to make Uniparty opposition overconfident. I'm not even sure that the rattling of poor old Ross Perot's skeleton isn't a conscious part of the strategy.
 
Of course it is. Just like Conservatives, Liberals know how skittish some people are. A little skeleton rattling never hurts anything. Sometimes, it can even be a little entertaining. Hence, the left-leaning media talking heads all grinning like idiots. And you do know why idiots do idiotic things, right? Because they are true geniuses? No, not exactly... :ROFLMAO:
 
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