Protests and riots in the United States .

[Marie Mallory]

Anyone here ever visited the Everglades? It was beautiful last time we were in there in the 1980s. A rare eco system.
The way things keep going in this nation I guess it won't matter much anyway I'm sure the democraps will be back in and try to ruin all we Republicans have done. I an conservative but don't agree with all they do.

 

[Bobby Cole]

Anyone here ever visited the Everglades? It was beautiful last time we were in there in the 1980s. A rare eco system.
The way things keep going in this nation I guess it won't matter much anyway I'm sure the democraps will be back in and try to ruin all we Republicans have done. I a conservative but don't agree with all they do.

Been to Plantation a number of times and did some air-boating through a lot of the swamp areas just outside Plantation. Slightly reminiscent of the Louisiana bayous I used to fish in.

 

[Don Alaska]

I, too, have been to the Everglades @Marie Mallory. A great place. I don't know if the little prison will do any more damage then has already been done.

 

[Jacob Petersheim]

I, too, have been to the Everglades @Marie Mallory. A great place. I don't know if the little prison will do any more damage then has already been done.

Isn't it also billed as a transient facility, explaining the style of "architecture" used?

I had the idea that it was only to be used as a holding and staging area as the criminals are rounded up, mainly due to the vast numbers allowed in and passed in as "refugees" under Biden. I don't remember anyone actually saying that it is meant as the first stage of a more permanent facility. It sounds like more of a buffer zone used in deporting mass illegally-immigrated criminals.

 

[Yvonne Smith]

Isn't it also billed as a transient facility, explaining the style of "architecture" used?

I had the idea that it was only to be used as a holding and staging area as the criminals are rounded up, mainly due to the vast numbers allowed in and passed in as "refugees" under Biden. I don't remember anyone actually saying that it is meant as the first stage of a more permanent facility. It sounds like more of a buffer zone used in deporting mass illegally-immigrated criminals.

I believe that this is correct, from what I have been reading about the Alligator Alcatraz facility. They said it will be used instead of overloading regular jails or prison facilities, and it will be a holding facility until the illegals can be deported to their home country, or to a prison elsewhere if they have criminal or gang history.

President Trump has just asked other states to do something similar, and the federal government will help each state set up holding facilities as needed in that state.
Most of the liberal states who are already not cooperating with ICE or deportation measures will also not want to set up a detention area, but probably the more conservative states will want to do this to free up more of their jails from holding the illegals.

The way they have set up this facility is the same basic structure that they use for FEMA when there is an emergency that requires a lot of people to be temporarily housed in an area, so they already have the materials and experience at setting up this kind of housing facility.
Once we have the illegals moved out, they will just close it up and use the building as needed in other places.

 

[Marie Mallory]

At least we are debating this civilly , I know sometimes I can get carried away with politics'. And I do try to stay away from the subject, but so far, not much luck.

 

[Marie Mallory]

Been to Plantation a number of times and did some air-boating through a lot of the swamp areas just outside Plantation. Slightly reminiscent of the Louisiana bayous I used to fish in.

I lived in Homestead for a short period and worked at one of the tomato packing houses in Plantation, also fist time I visited a Publix grocery was there and first time my kids and I lived in a rent for months ,I got really good at camping by necessity, not adventure [ my vocabulary is waning, sorry].

I just think that once they start opening it up for some ,it won't be long before they open it up for many, 5000 at a time for millions can add up over time.
We have deserts they could build in with some AC of course. Why use a world famous eco system thats already in danger?

 

[Susannah]

Maybe an airport shouldn’t be there but it has been there since the 70s. Look up the Dade-Collier Training and Transition Airport on Wikipedia. It was started in 1968 and development was shut down by environmentalists.

It’s been used as a training facility for big airlines (747 airliners) and as a racetrack.

Although the airport was left abandoned and unfinished, it was still retained by the local government as a general aviation airport and (to a greater extent) training airport. It was originally heavily used by Pan Am and Eastern Airlines as a training airport, as the long runway at Dade-Collier could accommodate aircraft as large as Boeing 747s, and was equipped with a relatively new instrument landing system, which allowed pilots to train for landing with low cloud ceilings and/or poor visibility. The isolation of the airport meant that it could be used for training flights 24/7 all year round, without interfering with the traffic at Miami International. The advent of flight simulators has made such training flights less economical, and the airport is now used much less frequently, although it remains open to general aviation.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dade-Collier_Training_and_Transition_Airport#cite_note-freeman-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a>

Dade-Collier Training and Transition Airport covers an area of 24,960 acres (39.0 sq mi; 101.0 km2), which contains one asphalt paved runway (9/27) measuring 10,499 by 150 feet (3,200 m × 46 m). For the year ending October 10, 2018, the airport had 14,468 general aviation aircraft operations, an average of 39 per day.


So, 39 flights a day and swamp life seems to have flourished.

An environmental lawsuit was filed, yesterday, I believe. They will argue on environmental grounds but their actual reason (in my opinion) is stopping deportation of criminal aliens from the US.

Here’s more info. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/t...ng-turned-into-alligator-alcatraz/ar-AA1Hqxnn

It seems to me that the biggest danger is having to evacuate violent criminals when a hurricane is coming although I saw somewhere that it is supposed to withstand pretty high winds.

Edited to catch up with the conversation that I didn’t see while I was typing. I’m not arguing with anyone, just trying to provide some information and remember the reason that we need this facility. However, I don’t think it will matter where it is built, the left will still use the courts to stop it.

 

[Jacob Petersheim]

Why?

Probably because it is closer to where most need to be sent back to than someplace like North Dakota. The Florida state government is not hostile to the need to get these foreign invaders gone. And of course, the facility was already on-hand including aircraft support.

They didn't just come in and slash, dredge, and drain this past month.

Sometimes I don't get where people are coming from. How much of the planet would you prefer be left or returned to its natural state? Should the population be dramatically reduced as well, with the remain 100,000 or so souls divvied up into bands always living on the edge of extinction eking out a short-lived brutish existence? Are you willing to be first? Suicide booth or dumped naked into the bush? Which do you choose?

People forget that we and our ways are as much a part of the ecosystem as any flower or slug. That's no license for excess, that's not my point.

I just don't see the big deal here. Maybe I need to re-read what you have written above.

 

[Marie Mallory]

I, too, have been to the Everglades @Marie Mallory. A great place. I don't know if the little prison will do any more damage then has already been done.

Don that is the point, enough already. I think there is still hope for some of what's left of the natural Florida. Did you click thru the videos, what a crock, no pun intended.

Isn't it also billed as a transient facility, explaining the style of "architecture" used?

I had the idea that it was only to be used as a holding and staging area as the criminals are rounded up, mainly due to the vast numbers allowed in and passed in as "refugees" under Biden. I don't remember anyone actually saying that it is meant as the first stage of a more permanent facility. It sounds like more of a buffer zone used in deporting mass illegally-immigrated criminals.

Jacob they always start off small, just ask the tribes who lived in the Glades before the Spanish and Europeans docked. Or ask what happened to the wildlife in the Glades and Keys.
I have studied this for decades so maybe more aware than most onlookers.

 

[Jacob Petersheim]

I have studied this for decades so maybe more aware than most onlookers.

I'll take your word for that. I know that I've only been there once.

I don't mean to argue, and I don't advocate "progress" über alles. But where do we end once we start rolling back human occupation and land use? What's your favorite tree to live in?

 

[Marie Mallory]

I believe that this is correct, from what I have been reading about the Alligator Alcatraz facility. They said it will be used instead of overloading regular jails or prison facilities, and it will be a holding facility until the illegals can be deported to their home country, or to a prison elsewhere if they have criminal or gang history.

President Trump has just asked other states to do something similar, and the federal government will help each state set up holding facilities as needed in that state.
Most of the liberal states who are already not cooperating with ICE or deportation measures will also not want to set up a detention area, but probably the more conservative states will want to do this to free up more of their jails from holding the illegals.

The way they have set up this facility is the same basic structure that they use for FEMA when there is an emergency that requires a lot of people to be temporarily housed in an area, so they already have the materials and experience at setting up this kind of housing facility.
Once we have the illegals moved out, they will just close it up and use the building as needed in other places.

Yvonne the point is why use such an important natural habitat when we have many places we could build a big beautiful prison at?
You know I'm was very glad that Biden ,Harris aka Obama lost and Trump won, but that doesn't mean I give him Cart Blanch over everything he wants.
I also wonder if all this is leading to something more Biblical.
I mainly just use politics to vent about things I have no control whatsoever over.

 

[Marie Mallory]

Maybe an airport shouldn’t be there but it has been there since the 70s. Look up the Dade-Collier Training and Transition Airport on Wikipedia. It was started in 1968 and development was shut down by environmentalists.

It’s been used as a training facility for big airlines (747 airliners) and as a racetrack.

Although the airport was left abandoned and unfinished, it was still retained by the local government as a general aviation airport and (to a greater extent) training airport. It was originally heavily used by Pan Am and Eastern Airlines as a training airport, as the long runway at Dade-Collier could accommodate aircraft as large as Boeing 747s, and was equipped with a relatively new instrument landing system, which allowed pilots to train for landing with low cloud ceilings and/or poor visibility. The isolation of the airport meant that it could be used for training flights 24/7 all year round, without interfering with the traffic at Miami International. The advent of flight simulators has made such training flights less economical, and the airport is now used much less frequently, although it remains open to general aviation.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dade-Collier_Training_and_Transition_Airport#cite_note-freeman-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a>

Dade-Collier Training and Transition Airport covers an area of 24,960 acres (39.0 sq mi; 101.0 km2), which contains one asphalt paved runway (9/27) measuring 10,499 by 150 feet (3,200 m × 46 m). For the year ending October 10, 2018, the airport had 14,468 general aviation aircraft operations, an average of 39 per day.


So, 39 flights a day and swamp life seems to have flourished.

An environmental lawsuit was filed, yesterday, I believe. They will argue on environmental grounds but their actual reason (in my opinion) is stopping deportation of criminal aliens from the US.

Here’s more info. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/t...ng-turned-into-alligator-alcatraz/ar-AA1Hqxnn

It seems to me that the biggest danger is having to evacuate violent criminals when a hurricane is coming although I saw somewhere that it is supposed to withstand pretty high winds.

Edited to catch up with the conversation that I didn’t see while I was typing. I’m not arguing with anyone, just trying to provide some information and remember the reason that we need this facility. However, I don’t think it will matter where it is built, the left will still use the courts to stop it.

I still don't see why they chose this place but then it seems to be par for the course.
Our natural resourced are dwindling more and more. And I'm sounding more and more like the little brat Gretta 'whats her name'?

 

[Susannah]

I think they chose it because there was a huge runway there that had been there for more than 50 years.

It also has a natural containment system for violent criminals.

The left will probably win in the courts anyway.

 

[Marie Mallory]

Why?

Probably because it is closer to where most need to be sent back to than someplace like North Dakota. The Florida state government is not hostile to the need to get these foreign invaders gone. And of course, the facility was already on-hand including aircraft support.

They didn't just come in and slash, dredge, and drain this past month.

Sometimes I don't get where people are coming from. How much of the planet would you prefer be left or returned to its natural state? Should the population be dramatically reduced as well, with the remain 100,000 or so souls divvied up into bands always living on the edge of extinction eking out a short-lived brutish existence? Are you willing to be first? Suicide booth or dumped naked into the bush? Which do you choose?

People forget that we and our ways are as much a part of the ecosystem as any flower or slug. That's no license for excess, that's not my point.

I just don't see the big deal here. Maybe I need to re-read what you have written above.

Did you watch the videos I put up? They are short but informative. I see no harm with alternatives when possible.
I also saw no reason for the destruction of other natural habitats like in Africa when MacDonalds drove all the people out into the desert to graze their millions of cattle to sell billions of burgers.
Yet I still think the socialist, and democrats go too far and hate American and in some cases their own stupid guts.
Not sure why this airport is logical , wise or economical. Like its the only place in America for an airport to safely train at.
Why not some of the useless desert areas, or are they really useless, probably not, huh.

 

[Marie Mallory]

I told my daughter just this morning " if I were young now, I'd take my kids to Iceland" which she replied glad you didn't get that chance, she has Eczema and cold is bad for her skin.
But I think maybe a morning dive into the ice may have been just the cure she may have needed. I sent here a video of it, she was not impressed.
They are building a huge battery plant near her with 4000 workers from Asia coming in to work. Wheres the robots when you need em?

 

[Marie Mallory]

I'll take your word for that. I know that I've only been there once.

I don't mean to argue, and I don't advocate "progress" über alles. But where do we end once we start rolling back human occupation and land use? What's your favorite tree to live in?

No apology needed I feel your debating not arguing. So far it has been a old fashion civil debate.
Long as its not a Red Wood tree.

 

[Marie Mallory]

Maybe a slight upgrade of this would be sufficient. Don't think I don't have compassion for cons, my much loved number 3 granddaughter is in one ,has 3 more years to go, she will be 40 yo by then.

 

[Jacob Petersheim]

No apology needed I feel your debating not arguing. So far it has been a old fashion civil debate.

I'm trying to look at it this way:

The BB Bill had a provision that would sell off massive swathes of National Park lands specifically targeted for development into upscale second-home communities, recreational facilities, etc. Hopefully this got pulled out and discarded along the way.

But I think the impact would be far greater than this detention center.

 

[Marie Mallory]

I'm trying to look at it this way:

The BB Bill had a provision that would sell off massive swathes of National Park lands specifically targeted for development into upscale second-home communities, recreational facilities, etc. Hopefully this got pulled out and discarded along the way.

But I think the impact would be far greater than this detention center.

I somewhat agree. But then again we may have to ask Japan who somehow own some of the National Parks and China who bought up our farmlands near our military bases, ya know killing two bird brains with one stone, so to speak.or China if we can build on their land.